User talk:Alex Warlorn - Revision history

Named Pen at 21:08, 26 July 2012

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			Um hi, just getting the hang of talking on this site, how am I doing?[[User:Named Pen]].

	Welcome aboard. You may have noticed we're fixing a few things. We'll make sure your story posts are neat and tidy as you learn how the wiki works. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 17:01, 20 May 2008 (EDT)		Welcome aboard. You may have noticed we're fixing a few things. We'll make sure your story posts are neat and tidy as you learn how the wiki works. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 17:01, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

JoharaGuardian at 08:32, 19 May 2011

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	I pretty much do that constantly. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)		I pretty much do that constantly. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

			This place needs a chat room. Posting messages like this is just odd. :)[[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Alex Warlorn: /* Advice */

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Advice

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	Btw the changes only really begin after the merge if you want to reread the story as it is being rewritten. I should probably point out the reason that I am so agreeable to making changes is that the story wasn't even edited. I wrote it all in a huge burst and posted it without even rereading, which is horrible writer behavior I know lol [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)		Btw the changes only really begin after the merge if you want to reread the story as it is being rewritten. I should probably point out the reason that I am so agreeable to making changes is that the story wasn't even edited. I wrote it all in a huge burst and posted it without even rereading, which is horrible writer behavior I know lol [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

			I pretty much do that constantly. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

JoharaGuardian at 08:28, 19 May 2011

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	I did trust me. I recognized the problem, but hadn't put it into words. There were also inconsistencies and such that needed fixing. I think my changes will make for a better story.[[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)		I did trust me. I recognized the problem, but hadn't put it into words. There were also inconsistencies and such that needed fixing. I think my changes will make for a better story.[[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

			Btw the changes only really begin after the merge if you want to reread the story as it is being rewritten. I should probably point out the reason that I am so agreeable to making changes is that the story wasn't even edited. I wrote it all in a huge burst and posted it without even rereading, which is horrible writer behavior I know lol [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

JoharaGuardian at 08:24, 19 May 2011

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	Remember above everything that this is YOUR STORY. What I give you is just that -ADVICE!- If you try to please everyone you will please no one. Don't take what I say on blind faith, but be sure to THINK about it. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)		Remember above everything that this is YOUR STORY. What I give you is just that -ADVICE!- If you try to please everyone you will please no one. Don't take what I say on blind faith, but be sure to THINK about it. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

			I did trust me. I recognized the problem, but hadn't put it into words. There were also inconsistencies and such that needed fixing. I think my changes will make for a better story.[[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 08:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Alex Warlorn: /* Advice */

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Advice

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	I took your advice and began the editing process on Three Minds. The original version is still on my user page, but the new version is the one linked to the Xanadu category. Only chapter one is done so far. [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 07:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)		I took your advice and began the editing process on Three Minds. The original version is still on my user page, but the new version is the one linked to the Xanadu category. Only chapter one is done so far. [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 07:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


			Remember above everything that this is YOUR STORY. What I give you is just that -ADVICE!- If you try to please everyone you will please no one. Don't take what I say on blind faith, but be sure to THINK about it. --[[User:Alex Warlorn\|Alex Warlorn]] 08:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

JoharaGuardian: /* Advice */

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Advice

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	== Advice ==		== Advice ==

	I took your advice and began the editing process on Three Minds. The original version is still on my user page, but the new version is the one linked to the Xanadu category. Only chapter one is done so far.		I took your advice and began the editing process on Three Minds. The original version is still on my user page, but the new version is the one linked to the Xanadu category. Only chapter one is done so far. [[User:JoharaGuardian\|JoharaGuardian]] 07:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

JoharaGuardian: /* Advice */ new section

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Advice: new section

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	:::Yeah, I'm not in a tearing great rush to take these down either. However, it's probably best to try to address these issues as promptly and thoroughly as possible anyway - hence my request for a list of the ones that are already "confirmed authorized", so we can stop worrying about those ones already and just focus on the remainder. As ShadowWolf points out, the current state of copyright law technically puts us in a bit of a precarious situation with the rest, but in practical terms I really don't expect any serious trouble while we sort this out.		:::Yeah, I'm not in a tearing great rush to take these down either. However, it's probably best to try to address these issues as promptly and thoroughly as possible anyway - hence my request for a list of the ones that are already "confirmed authorized", so we can stop worrying about those ones already and just focus on the remainder. As ShadowWolf points out, the current state of copyright law technically puts us in a bit of a precarious situation with the rest, but in practical terms I really don't expect any serious trouble while we sort this out.
	:::As an alternative, should the need arise - how about checking the [http://www.archive.org/index.php Internet Archive] to see if they've got a copy of the stories in question? Even with the original site down, we could still provide an external link to the archived copy there. Archive.org seems like a good substitute for a full-blown "abandonware fiction" site if one doesn't currently exist. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 00:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)		:::As an alternative, should the need arise - how about checking the [http://www.archive.org/index.php Internet Archive] to see if they've got a copy of the stories in question? Even with the original site down, we could still provide an external link to the archived copy there. Archive.org seems like a good substitute for a full-blown "abandonware fiction" site if one doesn't currently exist. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 00:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

			== Advice ==

			I took your advice and began the editing process on Three Minds. The original version is still on my user page, but the new version is the one linked to the Xanadu category. Only chapter one is done so far.

Bryan: Have you checked archive.org? They might have a copy we can externally-link to.

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Have you checked archive.org? They might have a copy we can externally-link to.

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	:::In this case it is rather easy to prove "abandonment" because the content in question was never offered anywhere except the net. If the canonical location is no longer available - for any reason other than the creator removing the site - then it is believable that the work has been "abandoned". Alex says that he has contacted most of the authors and has not provided any reason to not believe said claim. So in lieu of such proof that the authors did not grant permission for their works to be posted on Shifti, they can remain. However... As I've said before, the moment a copyright claim comes in, we shall respond. (In light of a recent court case I'm tempted to remove these works immediately without proof of a grant of rights... Because just knowing that the works are copyright and there might be a problem is, apparently, enough to vacate the 'Safe Harbor' provisions.) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 17:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)		:::In this case it is rather easy to prove "abandonment" because the content in question was never offered anywhere except the net. If the canonical location is no longer available - for any reason other than the creator removing the site - then it is believable that the work has been "abandoned". Alex says that he has contacted most of the authors and has not provided any reason to not believe said claim. So in lieu of such proof that the authors did not grant permission for their works to be posted on Shifti, they can remain. However... As I've said before, the moment a copyright claim comes in, we shall respond. (In light of a recent court case I'm tempted to remove these works immediately without proof of a grant of rights... Because just knowing that the works are copyright and there might be a problem is, apparently, enough to vacate the 'Safe Harbor' provisions.) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 17:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

			:::Yeah, I'm not in a tearing great rush to take these down either. However, it's probably best to try to address these issues as promptly and thoroughly as possible anyway - hence my request for a list of the ones that are already "confirmed authorized", so we can stop worrying about those ones already and just focus on the remainder. As ShadowWolf points out, the current state of copyright law technically puts us in a bit of a precarious situation with the rest, but in practical terms I really don't expect any serious trouble while we sort this out.
			:::As an alternative, should the need arise - how about checking the [http://www.archive.org/index.php Internet Archive] to see if they've got a copy of the stories in question? Even with the original site down, we could still provide an external link to the archived copy there. Archive.org seems like a good substitute for a full-blown "abandonware fiction" site if one doesn't currently exist. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 00:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

ShadowWolf: /* Copyright Concerns */ my $0.02

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	:Well, that's a good start. Which ones were you able to contact? Also, where's the hacked site? Perhaps we can contact the site admin and get it fixed. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 14:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)		:Well, that's a good start. Which ones were you able to contact? Also, where's the hacked site? Perhaps we can contact the site admin and get it fixed. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 14:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
	:: It sounds like what you're describing is the literary equivalent of "abandonware" software -- a work that is covered by copyright, but where the copyright owner can no longer be found, and where the work is no longer in publication (and thus cannot easily be obtained in a strictly legal way). If you look around the net, you'll find a number of abandonware sites. And if you look at them, you'll find that they tend to share a number of common characteristics: they tend to be kept separate from sites that carry more conventional types of copyrighted works; they tend to be very careful to explain what they do, and to describe how they determine that the software is really "abandoned"; they have a very clear mechanism through which someone who claims to be a copyright holder can object; and it is not uncommon that they run into legal problems anyway. Personally, I think that preserving abandoned works like this is a great thing to do. If you were to set up a site to preserve abandoned fiction of this sort, and take the risk involved in doing so, I would cheer you on. But it really needs to be separate from a more conventional site like Shifti -- think about how bad it would be if a legal problem forced all of Shifti to be taken down. [[User:Phaedrus\|Phaedrus]] 16:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)		:: It sounds like what you're describing is the literary equivalent of "abandonware" software -- a work that is covered by copyright, but where the copyright owner can no longer be found, and where the work is no longer in publication (and thus cannot easily be obtained in a strictly legal way). If you look around the net, you'll find a number of abandonware sites. And if you look at them, you'll find that they tend to share a number of common characteristics: they tend to be kept separate from sites that carry more conventional types of copyrighted works; they tend to be very careful to explain what they do, and to describe how they determine that the software is really "abandoned"; they have a very clear mechanism through which someone who claims to be a copyright holder can object; and it is not uncommon that they run into legal problems anyway. Personally, I think that preserving abandoned works like this is a great thing to do. If you were to set up a site to preserve abandoned fiction of this sort, and take the risk involved in doing so, I would cheer you on. But it really needs to be separate from a more conventional site like Shifti -- think about how bad it would be if a legal problem forced all of Shifti to be taken down. [[User:Phaedrus\|Phaedrus]] 16:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

			:::In this case it is rather easy to prove "abandonment" because the content in question was never offered anywhere except the net. If the canonical location is no longer available - for any reason other than the creator removing the site - then it is believable that the work has been "abandoned". Alex says that he has contacted most of the authors and has not provided any reason to not believe said claim. So in lieu of such proof that the authors did not grant permission for their works to be posted on Shifti, they can remain. However... As I've said before, the moment a copyright claim comes in, we shall respond. (In light of a recent court case I'm tempted to remove these works immediately without proof of a grant of rights... Because just knowing that the works are copyright and there might be a problem is, apparently, enough to vacate the 'Safe Harbor' provisions.) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 17:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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	:Well, that's a good start. Which ones were you able to contact? Also, where's the hacked site? Perhaps we can contact the site admin and get it fixed. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 14:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)		:Well, that's a good start. Which ones were you able to contact? Also, where's the hacked site? Perhaps we can contact the site admin and get it fixed. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 14:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
	:: It sounds like what you're describing is the literary equivalent of "abandonware" software -- a work that is covered by copyright, but where the copyright owner can no longer be found, and where the work is no longer in publication (and thus cannot easily be obtained in a strictly legal way). If you look around the net, you'll find a number of abandonware sites. And if you look at them, you'll find that they tend to share a number of common characteristics: they tend to be kept separate from sites that carry more conventional types of copyrighted works; they tend to be very careful to explain what they do, and to describe how they determine that the software is really "abandoned"; they have a very clear mechanism through which someone who claims to be a copyright holder can object; and it is not uncommon that they run into legal problems anyway. Personally, I think that preserving abandoned works like this is a great thing to do. If you were to set up a site to preserve abandoned fiction of this sort, and take the risk involved in doing so, I would cheer you on. But it really needs to be separate from a more conventional site like Shifti -- think about how bad it would be if a legal problem forced all of Shifti to be taken down. [[User:Phaedrus\|Phaedrus]] 16:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)		:: It sounds like what you're describing is the literary equivalent of "abandonware" software -- a work that is covered by copyright, but where the copyright owner can no longer be found, and where the work is no longer in publication (and thus cannot easily be obtained in a strictly legal way). If you look around the net, you'll find a number of abandonware sites. And if you look at them, you'll find that they tend to share a number of common characteristics: they tend to be kept separate from sites that carry more conventional types of copyrighted works; they tend to be very careful to explain what they do, and to describe how they determine that the software is really "abandoned"; they have a very clear mechanism through which someone who claims to be a copyright holder can object; and it is not uncommon that they run into legal problems anyway. Personally, I think that preserving abandoned works like this is a great thing to do. If you were to set up a site to preserve abandoned fiction of this sort, and take the risk involved in doing so, I would cheer you on. But it really needs to be separate from a more conventional site like Shifti -- think about how bad it would be if a legal problem forced all of Shifti to be taken down. [[User:Phaedrus\|Phaedrus]] 16:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

			:::In this case it is rather easy to prove "abandonment" because the content in question was never offered anywhere except the net. If the canonical location is no longer available - for any reason other than the creator removing the site - then it is believable that the work has been "abandoned". Alex says that he has contacted most of the authors and has not provided any reason to not believe said claim. So in lieu of such proof that the authors did not grant permission for their works to be posted on Shifti, they can remain. However... As I've said before, the moment a copyright claim comes in, we shall respond. (In light of a recent court case I'm tempted to remove these works immediately without proof of a grant of rights... Because just knowing that the works are copyright and there might be a problem is, apparently, enough to vacate the 'Safe Harbor' provisions.) -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 17:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)