User talk:Darjamvan - Revision history

ShadowWolf at 19:57, 6 October 2008

2008-10-06T19:57:06Z

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	Hi, just thought I should drop a note here since I imagine most authors won't be regularly checking [[Help:Templates]] for updates. I've finally added a template that I should have created long ago, a tag to put on userpages to facilitate linking to your personal story category; [[Template:My stories]]. If you want, just stick this code at the top of your userpage to create a standardized little box with a direct link in it: <nowiki>{{my stories}}</nowiki>. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:23, 18 January 2008 (EST)		Hi, just thought I should drop a note here since I imagine most authors won't be regularly checking [[Help:Templates]] for updates. I've finally added a template that I should have created long ago, a tag to put on userpages to facilitate linking to your personal story category; [[Template:My stories]]. If you want, just stick this code at the top of your userpage to create a standardized little box with a direct link in it: <nowiki>{{my stories}}</nowiki>. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:23, 18 January 2008 (EST)

			==Recently Blanked Pages==
			The pages you recently blanked have been deleted. I hope that the editing you've indicated as taking place goes well. -- [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 15:57, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Bryan: template:my stories is available

2008-01-19T03:23:05Z

template:my stories is available

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	:::Ah, I see. That message is actually one of the default "system" messages that comes built into MediaWiki (at [[MediaWiki:Movepagetext]]), it's not something any of us wrote. It's also not intended to be a directive, it's just a warning that the wiki software won't automatically clean up after you if the page move breaks something. I've changed the default system message to remove that line out now. You can view all of the other system messages at [[Special:Allmessages]] - if there are any others that seem out of line I can edit them too, though there are a huge number and most are quite trivial so I'll be leaving most of them at the default unless specific problems (like this one) arise. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 23:22, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:::Ah, I see. That message is actually one of the default "system" messages that comes built into MediaWiki (at [[MediaWiki:Movepagetext]]), it's not something any of us wrote. It's also not intended to be a directive, it's just a warning that the wiki software won't automatically clean up after you if the page move breaks something. I've changed the default system message to remove that line out now. You can view all of the other system messages at [[Special:Allmessages]] - if there are any others that seem out of line I can edit them too, though there are a huge number and most are quite trivial so I'll be leaving most of them at the default unless specific problems (like this one) arise. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 23:22, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			==Template:My stories==

			Hi, just thought I should drop a note here since I imagine most authors won't be regularly checking [[Help:Templates]] for updates. I've finally added a template that I should have created long ago, a tag to put on userpages to facilitate linking to your personal story category; [[Template:My stories]]. If you want, just stick this code at the top of your userpage to create a standardized little box with a direct link in it: <nowiki>{{my stories}}</nowiki>. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:23, 18 January 2008 (EST)

ShadowWolf: /* Well... */

2007-09-29T02:24:20Z

Well...

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	:When one moves a page to a new title, a "redirect" is created from the old title to the new title so that any existing links to the old title will still work correctly. Redirects take up negligible server resources so having a new page be created like that every time a move is done isn't a big deal, no need to worry about it. And as Jon says, the help pages are open to editing as well. If you find something on one that's confusing, or that's simply omitted, feel free to ask questions about it on the associated talk pages and I'll try to solve whatever problems I can. There's extensive help pages on general MediaWiki editing over at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents] and it's public domain so bits can be freely imported into Shifti's help pages. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:19, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:When one moves a page to a new title, a "redirect" is created from the old title to the new title so that any existing links to the old title will still work correctly. Redirects take up negligible server resources so having a new page be created like that every time a move is done isn't a big deal, no need to worry about it. And as Jon says, the help pages are open to editing as well. If you find something on one that's confusing, or that's simply omitted, feel free to ask questions about it on the associated talk pages and I'll try to solve whatever problems I can. There's extensive help pages on general MediaWiki editing over at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents] and it's public domain so bits can be freely imported into Shifti's help pages. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 19:19, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			: "Signal 15" is "SigTerm" - under normal function the only time a program should get that is during shutdown. I'd expect FireFox to be getting 11 (SigSegV) or maybe 4 (SigIll) - that is, either the Linux version of the Windows "General Protection Fault" (SigSegV) or one that has no parallel except in other Unix(-like) systems (SigIll - CPU tried to execute an illegal instruction). Anyway, this isn't a place for Linux help - just had to respond. FireFox has it's own set of problems for me - usually from a plugin (Flash causes me the most problems, but...) - well, I'd rather live with programs that sometimes crash out but leave the system stable than with the unfixable mess that is Windows. - [[User:ShadowWolf\|ShadowWolf]] 22:24, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

	== Transformations Anonymous ==		== Transformations Anonymous ==

Bryan: /* Re: Confused */ Ah, I see. That was a default system message that came with the wiki's software, not something we wrote. I've changed it now.

2007-09-28T03:22:22Z

Re: Confused: Ah, I see. That was a default system message that came with the wiki's software, not something we wrote. I've changed it now.

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	::...Now if you think I was reading more "strictness" into things, then apparently you forgot that this was written on one of your own pages. See where it says that it is the user is responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go? --[[User:Darjamvan\|Riptide the Rat]] 22:55, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		::...Now if you think I was reading more "strictness" into things, then apparently you forgot that this was written on one of your own pages. See where it says that it is the user is responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go? --[[User:Darjamvan\|Riptide the Rat]] 22:55, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			:::Ah, I see. That message is actually one of the default "system" messages that comes built into MediaWiki (at [[MediaWiki:Movepagetext]]), it's not something any of us wrote. It's also not intended to be a directive, it's just a warning that the wiki software won't automatically clean up after you if the page move breaks something. I've changed the default system message to remove that line out now. You can view all of the other system messages at [[Special:Allmessages]] - if there are any others that seem out of line I can edit them too, though there are a huge number and most are quite trivial so I'll be leaving most of them at the default unless specific problems (like this one) arise. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 23:22, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Darjamvan: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T02:56:01Z

Re: Confused

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	::This is what I read when searching through all of the help files and the Move Page feature...		::This is what I read when searching through all of the help files and the Move Page feature...

	::''Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. Links to the old page title will not be changed; be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.		::''Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. Links to the old page title will not be changed; be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.''

	::Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is empty or a redirect and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was just renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page.		::''Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is empty or a redirect and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was just renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page.''

	::WARNING! This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.''		::''WARNING! This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.''

	::...Now if you think I was reading more "strictness" into things, then apparently you forgot that this was written on one of your own pages. See where it says that it is the user is responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go? --[[User:Darjamvan\|Riptide the Rat]] 22:55, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		::...Now if you think I was reading more "strictness" into things, then apparently you forgot that this was written on one of your own pages. See where it says that it is the user is responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go? --[[User:Darjamvan\|Riptide the Rat]] 22:55, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Darjamvan: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T02:55:18Z

Re: Confused

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	:I've just done some rereading of the help pages and I think you may be reading more "strictness" into things than was intended. There aren't really any assigned responsibilities on Shifti, aside I suppose from administrators making prompt responses to deletion requests. The bit on categorization is indeed unclear, but it's also explicitly optional. There are no guidelines that suggest authors need to create pages for story universes, though on the other hand I agree that the pages you did create were deleted too quickly - there's really no harm in having them exist alongside categories. We'll be slower to delete stuff in the future.		:I've just done some rereading of the help pages and I think you may be reading more "strictness" into things than was intended. There aren't really any assigned responsibilities on Shifti, aside I suppose from administrators making prompt responses to deletion requests. The bit on categorization is indeed unclear, but it's also explicitly optional. There are no guidelines that suggest authors need to create pages for story universes, though on the other hand I agree that the pages you did create were deleted too quickly - there's really no harm in having them exist alongside categories. We'll be slower to delete stuff in the future.
	:I did a little editing of some of the help pages while I was checking these things out, but evidently there's still more that needs doing. We'll keep working on it, please continue to provide input into what's confusing or seems contradictory. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:44, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:I did a little editing of some of the help pages while I was checking these things out, but evidently there's still more that needs doing. We'll keep working on it, please continue to provide input into what's confusing or seems contradictory. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:44, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			::This is what I read when searching through all of the help files and the Move Page feature...

			::''Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. Links to the old page title will not be changed; be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.

			::Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is empty or a redirect and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was just renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page.

			::WARNING! This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.''

			::...Now if you think I was reading more "strictness" into things, then apparently you forgot that this was written on one of your own pages. See where it says that it is the user is responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go? --[[User:Darjamvan\|Riptide the Rat]] 22:55, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Bryan: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T02:44:31Z

Re: Confused

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	:BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 21:57, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 21:57, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			::There's a category help page at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category], a page on starting new pages at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page], a page at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name] on page names, and so forth - see the link I posted a few sections up for a table of contents for Wikimedia's help page collection. The main problem I forsee is that these help pages might be ''too'' extensive; since Shifti is a small enough wiki that a handful of administrators can take care of all the complicated maintenance stuff a lot of the material here would just serve to further confuse brand new editors. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:44, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

			:I've just done some rereading of the help pages and I think you may be reading more "strictness" into things than was intended. There aren't really any assigned responsibilities on Shifti, aside I suppose from administrators making prompt responses to deletion requests. The bit on categorization is indeed unclear, but it's also explicitly optional. There are no guidelines that suggest authors need to create pages for story universes, though on the other hand I agree that the pages you did create were deleted too quickly - there's really no harm in having them exist alongside categories. We'll be slower to delete stuff in the future.
			:I did a little editing of some of the help pages while I was checking these things out, but evidently there's still more that needs doing. We'll keep working on it, please continue to provide input into what's confusing or seems contradictory. [[User:Bryan\|Bryan]] 22:44, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

JonBuck: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T01:57:45Z

Re: Confused

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	:What I saw going on was both a Category page ''and'' a normal page. The normal page was thus not needed.		:What I saw going on was both a Category page ''and'' a normal page. The normal page was thus not needed.

	:BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?--[[User:~~74.62.18.62~~\|~~74.62.18.62~~]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?. --[[User:JonBuck\|Buck]] 21:57, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

74.62.18.62: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T01:57:07Z

Re: Confused

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	:What I saw going on was both a Category page ''and'' a normal page. The normal page was thus not needed.		:What I saw going on was both a Category page ''and'' a normal page. The normal page was thus not needed.

	BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?--[[User:74.62.18.62\|74.62.18.62]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (EDT)		:BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?--[[User:74.62.18.62\|74.62.18.62]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

74.62.18.62: /* Re: Confused */

2007-09-28T01:56:50Z

Re: Confused

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	You people really should re-read over your own Help files. It isn't very clear at all. And THAT is why you're confused, Buck.		You people really should re-read over your own Help files. It isn't very clear at all. And THAT is why you're confused, Buck.

			:Unfortunately the wiki-style for creating new pages is not really intuitive. I'll have a look at the Help page for that and see if I can't find a way to explain the process better. You seem angry, and I'm sorry that we weren't too clear on this. We also need to be clearer on how categorization works. You don't need to create a whole new category for the your story, with your story title. You use the preexisting <nowiki>[[Category:Story]]</nowiki> to get it listed in the general Story page.
			:What I saw going on was both a Category page ''and'' a normal page. The normal page was thus not needed.

			BD, we need to improve our tutorials on this. We need a step-by-step howto for newbies. Does Wikipedia already have such a guide that we can adapt for Shifti?--[[User:74.62.18.62\|74.62.18.62]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (EDT)