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Blog Comments?

Just floating an idea for the other Paradise authors. Since much of this story is written through blog posts by the characters, is there any interest in submitting comments I can use? --Buck 03:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing some of these comments should be rude, since Serena mentions that she was "outed" by the commentors. After all, the anonymity provided by the Internet does make people more daring and willing to flame, so I guess that it would be logical to have a couple making a lot of insults, sexual innuendo and the such. And also, with the "flame war" that began on the blog, I guess quite some commentors would be interested only in arguing and insulting each other, so I imagine a number of the comments may not even be related to the topic in question.
Not all the comments would be mindless insults, of course, since some of the commentors should be still be, y'know, logical and mature to an extent. So a few might be discussing the topic, some others would be engaged in flaming combat, and others will be trying to break up the fight, right? And the comments don't have to have any part in the storyline, right?

If the above is correct, I can try dropping a bunch of comments for you! If you don't mind? Just give me the green light, and I'll do my very best! Oh, and great story, by the way! It's awesome. :)--Drake 18:15, 10 June 2009

Go ahead and write down your comment ideas here. If I like 'em I'll make them official. :) --Buck 06:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Followup: Thinking about it, "canon" comments should add to the story in some way. Otherwise I doubt people will read them. --Buck 20:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Got it. I guess it makes sense that the comments should add to the story a little. They don't need to be as long as Robotech Master's, right?--Drake
There do exist people who post long comments on blogs, you know. :P —Robotech Master 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I know, I'm sometimes one of those people myself. But most of the time, people just drop a short comment like "Nice one!" or something, because they usually don't think too deep into whatever they just read, or because they're just in a hurry. And can someone help get rid of the wierd boxes around the comments? It's ugly. :) --Drake
Having a variety of commenters is good, honestly. --Buck 04:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


Post One: Introductions (Comments)

This one is the part where Serena gets "outed" by commentors. Comments are short and succint, like most are on blogs. If this is ok, JonBuck, then I'll drop more comments for other sections.

User: SilverFox

Good to meet you to. Can't wait to see what you'll post later on. Cool blog!

March 15, 2010, 10:12pm

User: AsianLeopard

Cool, another leopard. Lucky here in Asia we don't have the Veil breaking and stuff. Much
less furs 'round here. And the climate's a lot easier on us. Guess you just have to bear
with the cold...

March 15, 2010, 11:23pm

User: Furry1337

Awesome blog you got. Looking forward to your next posts. I'm sure they're gonna be

March 16, 2010, 1:07am

User: AwsimAlpha

Hey Serena are you a tomboy 'cos you used to be male? I heard somewhere that you're
transgendered, right?

March 16, 2010, 9:02am

User: xXFreakyDogXx

Holy shit ya I heard about that too!

March 16, 2010, 9:26am

User: LemmingsREVOLT

<This comment has been flagged as Discrimination>
This blog is such a rip-off, then. All that bullshit about "female
perspective", it's crap. You've spent your whole life as a male, now
just 'cos you got tits you say you're full of female perspective? MY ASS!
I'll go somewhere else with real perspective!

March 16, 2010, 9:45am

User: AwsimAlpha

WTF this whole blog is a scam I agree with Lemmings. You're just a man in a
woman's body.

March 16, 2010, 10:23am

User: AsianLeopard

Come on pal, chill. You haven't even given the lady a chance yet.
I'm sure she'll surprise us.

March 16, 2010, 11:47am

User: LemmingsREVOLT

<This comment haas been flagged as Explicit Profanities>
Fuck that you asshole she's not even a real woman how the hell
will she give any "female perspective" you dick?

March 16, 2010, 2:35pm

User: AsianLeopard

Who do you think you are to define "real" or "false"
woman yourself? It's objective and undefinable because
everyone has their own opinion, so what makes you
think you can say she's not a real woman?

March 16, 2010, 2:48pm

User: LemmingsREVOLT

That's it, I'm not wasting my time on fags like
you. I'm heading over to some other blog. This
one's so gay.

March 16, 2010, 4:10pm

User: SilverFox

Please keep all your sexist comments off the blog, Lemmings. It's really annoying.

March 16, 2010, 3:52pm

User: S3XYFur

<This comment has been deleted by an administrator for having explicit sexual

User: H00wlzz

Hey there's this youtube vid of her lol! It's hilarious.
<This link has been removed by an administrator>

March 17, 2010, 4:53pm

User: LurkingInShadowz

Wow...she actually said "Do you think these tits aren't real?". Hard to believe. LOL indeed!

March 17, 2010, 5:21pm

User: AsianLeopard

It's not funny. Those groupies were damned annoying, it wasn't her fault. If you had TGed, you'd feel as fuckedup as her, assholes.

March 17, 2010, 6:02pm

User: SilverFox

Agreed. I think it's very insensitive to post that link, when it's obviously an event she'd rather not publicize. Advise an admin to remove the link. And that wasn't funny at all, H00wlzz.

March 17, 2010, 9:32pm

New Bodies, New Twists

User: RabbitInDanger

It's not our fault if we have to open fire on assailants. The idea of an "armed robbery" is all blurred, because now every predator Changed walking around is armed with claws and fangs. Most people only open fire against thieves when the thief is armed and willing to use his weapon, so shooting and killing this thief would be in self-defence. But wouldn't shooting a Changed thief be in self-defence as well? There is no way to determine whether the Changed guy trying to break into your house is willing to use his claws against the victim, so if it were me, I'd rather shoot the assailant that wait to find out if he's going to use his claws. They are potential weapons, and after all, us herbivores are stuck on the losing end, with little or no natural defences, as opposed to wolves, tigers, etc, who all are armed with razor-sharp claws and fangs. So, I feel that laws should be set down to ensure that claws are kept blunt, and so on, to prevent Changed from attacking others with their natural weapons.

I reference the video link provided by H00wlzz in a comment for a previous article. While I have no desire to humiliate the people featured in it, I would like to draw attention to the way Serena slashed her friend with her claws. Yes, I'm aware that it was accidental. But instincts, combined with rising emotions, do not make a good combo. How many more people will get injured because of a careless slip on a Changed person's part? This shows that claws should at least be blunted, if not clipped, for the safety of others.

March 21, 2010, 6:12pm

User: JeanWolf

I don't think that Changed predators should have their claws blunted or stuff like that. Yes, they are natural weapons. But aren't plain old fists and feet weapons too? Karate, judo, muai thai, kickboxing: all of these teach people how to use their body as a weapon. But still we don't see people walking around beating each other up, right? And karate blackbelts don't need to have their hands removed, either, do they? Their hands and fists are lethel, but nobody says that they are concealing weapons. I agree when Richard says that guy was a moron. Jeez, one day he'll probably be packing some of his own claws too. What an asshole.

As for gangs getting killed or hurt by claws and teeth: what's the difference? If they didn't have claws and teeth, they'd be using guns. If some people misuse their natural weapons, how is this our fault? Come on, not all lions or tigers or wolves walk around killing people. Anyway, martial arts experts could still misuse their skills and beat other people up. But that doesn't mean everyone practising judo is evil, does it? Likewise, not everyone with claws is about to kill some herbivore. And as for accidents occurring, I expect that maybe Furgonomics is going to do something to prevent accidental slashing. Or maybe as more people change, the Changed will get more and more careful with their claws. Still, I don't see a need for every single Changed person out there to clip off their claws.

March 21, 2010, 1:17am

User: BunnyToo

Have you look at your own hands and feet lately, buddy? We're not exactly lacking in the claws and teeth department, either! With claws like these we can disembowel someone. And we have a damned powerful kick! To say nothing of antlers and sharp hoofs. Geez.

March 21, 2010, 6:17am

User: RabbitInDanger

All right, wrong choice of words. But I believe my argument still stands. Herbivores have less "offensive" capabilities than carnivores. While there are, as you say, antlers and sharp hooves, the thing is that the instincts packed along with the Change vary. That means that herbivores generally have a more docile nature as compared to carnivores. Referencing the case of a certain doctor who mauled an intruder to death (once again, no intention to insult. It was, if I'm not wrong, a very touchy subject for him) some years back. Instinct compelled him to retaliate in force. Yes, the burglar was in the wrong. But had he not been compelled by instinct, he may not have slashed the burglar as many times or as hard as he did. So while, yes, herbivores do have natural defences, carnivores seem more likely to use it for more combative purposes.

User: BrookeBadger

You don't know the whole story. So I'm going to enlighten you. I squeezed Serena's arm too hard and she reacted like anyone would in the same situation. It was my claws that weren't clipped. I did enough damage to her shoulder to need stitches and cause scarring. There isn't a mark left on me. So I'm the guilty party here, not her. I didn't keep my claws clipped because I was too busy focusing on being a woman instead of being a badger.

Most people simply can't grasp that about one percent of us have more than just getting fur to deal with. Maybe you know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure you don't. Pray to God you don't have to deal with it yourself.

March 21, 2010, 10:17am

User: RabbitInDanger

Sorry that I didn't get the facts right, but it wasn't easy to notice any of the above during the video. In case you didn't notice, the guy who filmed it didn't exactly have really good camera skills. And he was going for close-up face shots: it was impossible to see anything below the head. And yes, I think I know what you're talking about. It's lucky of me to still remain male after the change.

March 21, 2010, 2:31pm

User: WildOne314

Guess I'm a little late, but...

I was going to agree with RabbitInDanger here, but I noticed JeanWolf (and BunnyToo) have some major points. You're right, JeanWolf, to a degree. Yes, no one in their right mind would carelessly injure someone with new body parts designed for injury, and yes, no one would beat up people randomly either.

However, I feel that there is a risk of slipping into some wishful thinking, because when one Changes, claws and fur aren't the only things a person will get. I know it's becoming a bit of a buzzword now, but hormones will definitely come with the package, like it or not. I'm not saying people will go total rage on someone just because. Well, I kind of am.

This is why I said before that BunnyToo is right as well. I heard about an instance at a California college a few years ago where in a fall party, a moose thought someone was making advances to his girlfriend, and was this close to killing the guy. Bear in mind that fall is rut season, so... yeah. Not to mention the countless other examples, even a North Carolinian tiger who accidentally killed her classmate at age 9 over an argument.

I'm sure everyone will hate me for saying it, and I'll probably never be allowed to come here again, but someone has to say it: you are not humans. This is a complete new era of people where animalistic instinct can carry a whole new meaning. The only thing I want everyone reading this to know is that problems like this should not be ignored, and the Change should not be taken too lightly. I guess all this wouldn't matter in 2020, or thereabouts. Who knows? By then, we probably have already thought ways of confronting the issue, as JeanWolf hopes so. Either way, it's going to be a brand new era for all of us.

March 22, 2010, 12:49pm

--Drake, 20:28, 19 June 2009
--Buck 07:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
--Drake, 18:40, 23 June 2009 (Sorry for taking so long to respond. Spent a lot of time handling my new story.) Sivle (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2017 (CDT)

Serena's "Suck It"

User: JustAnotherVixen

You go, girl! If you want to belong to the superior gender, who am I to discourage you?

Seriously, I think this is something people are going to have to think a lot about. Everybody should be thinking about it, because they never know if one day they're going to wake up and find they're playing for the other team. Isn't that scary?

Anyway, it's not as if this is the crude surgical method people have had to use up 'til now, that sorta makes you look or feel like the other sex. This is the real deal. You get your genes scrambled but good, and a fully-functional bod with all the right hormones and natural cycles included. If that doesn't make you the gender you end up, what does?

I'd like to think it'll bring about greater understanding to have people out there who can write how-to-relate guides from personal experience on both sides. But people being people, they'll probably just screw it up again.

—Long-time vixen, first-time poster

March 21, 9:07 pm

Robotech Master 03:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The Envious Alan

User: JustAnotherVixen

Of course you're being manipulated. We all are. Some people have been since as long ago as 1987.

Think about it. There's no possible cause that could explain the Change. No disease, no nanite grey goo, no genetic mutation, nothing. Maybe some of those could explain the form change, but what about the intelligent nature of the "reality distortion field" around us? The way it first kept anyone from seeing anything weird, and now it selectively edits everything associated with us? When "John Doe" suddenly wakes up Jane and a doe, and not only has all his ID cards and all photos of him everywhere changed to female but suddenly has a wardrobe full of girly clothes to match?

Something is messing with reality—editing reality. There are all kinds of theories floating around about what or who, but I don't think we'll ever really know. I would just like to point out that one philosopher thinks there is a 20% chance we're living in a simulation instead of real life. So if we are, maybe whoever's running it is poking the anthill.

It does seem like whoever's doing it at least isn't randomly cruel. If we're being forced "out of the closet" by the veil slipping away, it seems to be doing its best to smooth things over. Your furry comrades might have been hassled in Detroit, but they weren't chased by a mob with torches and pitchforks. Something's overriding humanity's tendency to hate and fear what they don't understand.

From my perspective, that can only be a good thing.

—A vixen fixin' to get her licks in

March 22, 9:17 am

(Perhaps it might be too blatant, but on the other hand it's so obvious that it has to be said out in the open sometime... —Robotech Master 20:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC))

A Human Perspective

User: Human4Now

I can't imagine what you are going through. I have to say that I am still human. So I am terrified just what it will be like when I change into somthing other then human, let alone get TGed in the process. So I wish you strength. This has to be...interesting for you.

March 27, 7:09 pm

Why did I write this? Boredom. --Guvnor Of Space 14:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Style/Template work

There ya' go. Template:CA comment is good to go - designed to be easy to use. Basics is {{CA comment|<username>|<text>|<date>[|<reply comment as template>]}} - in other words, for a comment by 'Drake' that has no reply you'd do {{CA comment|Drake|This is an example|August 17, 2010 23:45:50 UTC}} and if there was a reply to it you'd do: {{CA comment|Drake|This is an example|August 17, 2010 23:45:50 UTC|{{CA comment|Drake|Replying to myself as an example|August 17, 2010 23:46:30 UTC}}}}. The first of those examples would create the following:

User: Drake

This is an example

August 17, 2010 23:45:50 UTC

And the second of those examples would create:

User: Drake

This is an example

August 17, 2010 23:45:50 UTC

User: Drake

Replying to myself as an example

August 17, 2010 23:46:30 UTC

Comments can be nested in each other to any depth you'd like. Wish I could have made it simpler, but there are limitations to what the template system is capable of. Sorry. -- ShadowWolf 14:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been notified that there are some problems with it - that arise from the template system itself. For the longer comments, you'll want to actually copy how the 'Envious Allen' one was done. -- ShadowWolf 16:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

That looks really good, Shadow. --Buck 18:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I based it, somewhat, on how Slashdot does their comments. I still think it could use some work, but after I got the current version done I decided to hold off on making any other changes to it. -- ShadowWolf 18:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It looks like a "Thank you" is in order, even if it's late, ShadowWolf. The template's great, if not a little too complicated. Still, you have my thanks for creating it and modifying everything. It must have been hard work. You're the best! :) --Drake 20:29, 19 June 2009